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************ Topic 6 Mon Aug 05, 1991 J.HARROP at 23:46 EDT Sub: Crusaders of the Dark Savant Sequel to Bane of the Cosmic Forge, due Fall 92. projected sys requirements 12mhz and 10megs of harddrive Screen shots=file 4287, slideshow demo=file 4295 240 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 1 Fri May 29, 1992 SIR-TECH [Todd] at 18:30 EDT Recommended speed is 12 mgzt, The absolute final and absolute latest release date is September 1st. This is the latest and is our projected date for store arrival. Please don't despair, this is only an estimate and the way things are progressing it will surely be out before then. I am not exactly sure what they exact hard drive requiurements are but it should not be anything over 10. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 37 Mon Sep 07, 1992 BARAK at 14:01 EDT Todd, will DS require anything unusual in equipment? As an example, Ultima VII will not work with Stacker disk compression software. Do you see any major incompatibilities? ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 38 Fri Sep 11, 1992 SIR-TECH [Todd] at 19:57 EDT Crusaders works fine and we are on schedule to have the game out by October 1st. The only incompatibility we have experienced so far has been with Dr. Dos. As far as I know, it will not work with this program. Category 28, Topic 6 Message 46 Tue Sep 15, 1992 D.HAN [Asst. Sysop] at 23:27 EDT JK: Your party will transfer over with all attributes intact, but most skills should drop significantly (and your party will come down to about level 5 in experience). Most of your weapons and armor will be stripped, but various miscellaneous items will remain (including potions, amulets of life, rings, etc). SG: Yep, automapping is still a part of the game. Very much so. Danny ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 47 Wed Sep 16, 1992 M.PITCAVAGE [Pitman] at 01:56 EDT Then what's the point of bringing characters over? ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 48 Wed Sep 16, 1992 D.HAN [Asst. Sysop] at 07:06 EDT I seem to have made a mistake; items that are transferred over are entirely random, including weapons and armor. So it's very possible to have some of your good weapons and armor survive the transfer over. But again, the whole thing is random, so you might have to re-do the importing of characters more than once to get a good transfer of items. Pitman: One of the BIGGEST advantages a player will have in importing his experienced characters over a fresh party is the retaining of their attribute scores (strength, piety, etc., which are usually very high for a party that went through Bane). And of course, some of the items of power will make it over (for instance, the sword Avenger or Holy Basher). A fresh party is virtually naked; robes for armor and the least intimidating of weapons ;) Danny ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 51 Thu Sep 17, 1992 M.PITCAVAGE [Pitman] at 00:32 EDT Danny, that may be so, but it is hardly continuing the "characters," is it? It has nothing to do with role-playing or character development. All it is is an inducement to buy and play _Bane of the Cosmic Forge_. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 52 Thu Sep 17, 1992 D.HAN [Asst. Sysop] at 21:24 EDT Pitman: I'm not trying to argue with you, but just to simply say that anyone who is transferring their characters over will have an advantage over fresh parties. And if it's not "continuing the characters", as you put it, then why will their be an incentive to actually "downgrade" and play Bane of the Cosmic Forge? Wouldn't it make more sense to go back to "buy and play" BotCF -if- the characters do indeed continue their development into the new scenario, as in the paper and pencil counterpart? Danny ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 53 Fri Sep 18, 1992 M.PITCAVAGE [Pitman] at 00:25 EDT The sole reason being that the characters in COTDS would be more powerful if the consumer had bought BOTCF. But it is not character development, just stat lifting. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 54 Fri Sep 18, 1992 N.FELDMAN at 00:41 EDT How incompatibale is Crusaders with DR DOS 6.0 I run DR DOS, and I would not want to revert back to MS DOS now. Have you come across a fix. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 55 Fri Sep 18, 1992 D.HAN [Asst. Sysop] at 06:53 EDT NF: There is no mention of DR DOS 6.0 support anywhere in the rough-draft version of the reference card. However, whether it actually supports it or not, I cannot say. Perhaps our friendly rep can answer... Danny ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 56 Sat Sep 19, 1992 B.SPADE at 20:12 EDT Here's an argument for carrying characters over! You get fond of them. In Bane particularly, even if they don't have any intrinsic character development, your customization gives them personality. I have two Felpurs modeled after two of my cats, one of whom was killed since I played Bane. Even without gross sentimentality, I'm waiting to resurrect them in the game. Not to mention that my personal character is a pretty mean Valkyrie! ....Barb ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 57 Sun Sep 20, 1992 M.PITCAVAGE [Pitman] at 01:50 EDT Barb, I understand your point. But really, most CRPGs don't actually carry over much more than the characters' names. It's not too hard to give new characters the old names. One reason why I enjoy CRPGs that employ many skills is that there is the possibility to really develop a unique character--one you could actually want to be carried over. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 58 Sun Sep 20, 1992 PHOTOBASE at 16:58 EDT Anyone rember the problem with the second Wiz? Knights of Diamonds? By the time my guys got over to KOD, they were tougher than the game, and it soon became a fff-ppp game. Sparks ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 59 Sun Sep 20, 1992 AGNARI at 17:14 EDT How true sparks, mine were SOOOOOO superior that we finished the entire game in ONE long 10-hour session. Went into the dungeons and didn't come out till we were done. Make the whole thing a big disappointment. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 60 Mon Sep 21, 1992 J.THOMAS69 [Jeff Thomas] at 20:02 EDT Man, this game HAS to be close to release! I've seen 3 "previews" the past week: GameByte Issue #5, October's Strategy Plus (Mama Sez), and the October issue of PC Games something or other (they really should think up a more snazzy title.) Plus, the CoDS ads are back out. I sure hope this one isn't bug-infested as Buglands, er Darklands. Jeff T. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 61 Tue Sep 22, 1992 COREY [Corey Cole] at 01:10 EDT Well, I'm ready for CoDS now. :) (It would have been *very bad* had it shipped before Lori and I got Quest for Glory 3 out if it's half as addiction as Bane. But we've shipped, so we're ready to play someone else's game again. Hope this isn't *too* self-centered a perspective. :)) So anyone at Sir-Tech wanna trade a CoDS for a QfG3? We're interested! -- Corey Cole ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 62 Wed Sep 23, 1992 N.FELDMAN at 00:13 EDT My request was in reference to an earlier message that said CoDS was not compatible with DR D compatible with DR DOS. I would be happy to learn otherwise. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 63 Fri Sep 25, 1992 P.CHIU [Samurai Sun] at 04:18 EDT So when is this game ever going to come out? Phil(I'm counting the cobwebs around my computer terminal and screen) the Impatient ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 64 Fri Sep 25, 1992 D.DANIEL8 [Dave] at 23:08 EDT Hmm, October 1rst is a week away I hope SirTech is serious about still shooting for an Oct 1rst release. Dave ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 65 Sat Sep 26, 1992 D.HAN [Asst. Sysop] at 04:55 EDT I just spoke to a rather nice individual at Sir-Tech today (Brenda Garno, to be more precise) and found out that Wizardry VII will be duplicated this weekend. Let's see, she said somethin' about 32,000 copies or so. I guess that means it's very close to release, huh? ;) Danny ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 66 Tue Sep 29, 1992 B.GRIFFIN15 at 22:09 EDT Hey all, Spoke to Sir Tech yesterday.... They said they were shipping domestic orders this Friday. Don't know if that is personal back orders or just dealers, but in any event it will be soon. (Even I believe this time...not that I haven't been a sucker before :) Brian ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 67 Wed Sep 30, 1992 PHOTOBASE at 01:07 EDT Folks I hope we could learn something from the MPS Darklands QC fiasco. With the assumption they rushed the release do to pressure, let it get here when it gets here. Of course, there is a void in the market now........ Sparks ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 68 Wed Sep 30, 1992 P.CHIU [Samurai Sun] at 02:24 EDT Hmmm. didn't know Darklands had any bugs. But since I got rid of that game, I wouldn't know I guess. Still waiting for Crusader. Hope it'll be a blast. Phil ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 69 Fri Oct 02, 1992 D.BILEK1 [Agent] at 20:26 EDT I just picked up my copy of CoDS (and QFG III!!!). I'm going to install it now and take a test drive! Judging from Bane this should really be a great game!!! (keeping fingers crossed) Agent ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 70 Fri Oct 02, 1992 S.BAKER26 [V'ger] at 22:34 EDT Agent, AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!! You mean somebody has it and I DON'T? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHaaaaaaaaaaaHhhhhhhh!!!!! Where's my shotgun? I'm going UPS hunting. 8) BTW, when you post impressions, let us know what ending you took from Bane. I've got all four & I've been trying to figure out which one to use. Is it soup yet? V'ger gone ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 71 Fri Oct 02, 1992 D.BILEK1 [Agent] at 23:12 EDT V'ger- In Bane I took the ending where you DONT kill Bane and Rebecca...I went through the room with the Cosmic Forge in it, met a big dragon and jumped into a spaceship to follow a Cosmic Lord... Well so far I've watched the intro and have transferred my characters . The graphics in the intro are ok but they look great in the actual game. The sound is also very good. I cant comment too much on gameplay so far though since I keep trying to transfer my characters while retaining at least a couple of my good items... I really HATE it when my Holy Avenger , Murasma Blade, Blade Cuisanart, Holy Bashar, and full suit of Ebony Plate+ Toshei-do armor disappear!!<grin> Transferring characters in pretty time consuming since you have to go through the intro EVERY time and cant abort it... I really wish all or none of my items transferred throught, but not just a couple... Agent p.s. I hope CoDS is less buggy than Darklands dont you V'ger!! ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 72 Sat Oct 03, 1992 D.BILEK1 [Agent] at 17:21 EDT What nobody else got this game yet??? I was hoping I could compare parties because mine seems pathetically weak. I think the best bet is to start with a brand-new party. I'm going to try that later today. I wasnt ever able to transfer any decent armor from Bane and finally settled for getting the Avenger and the Murasma Blade...I figured that was enough power to blast anything at the beginning of the game..boy was I wrong. Sure, if I hit something I do major damage but must fight's go like this: Monster X casts Spell Y and does 25 points of damage to every character!! Now considering a couple of my characters started out with under 20 hit points I die pretty quick. Usually half my party is dead before I can even hit once. 15 hit points really does seem pathetically low for a level-5 character... I havent been able to get off the ground in the game because I die every time!! I think the characters should either A) Get all their items transferred or B) start with at least twice as many hit points.. By the end of Bane my characters were wiping the floor with most bad guys... now I get smashed by 3 Black Birds... really! Agent somebody get the game and help me out!!!<grin> ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 73 Sat Oct 03, 1992 J.THOMAS69 [Jeff Thomas] at 18:05 EDT Agent: Did u get this mail-order direct from SirTech, or from a retailer? I wonder if ALL carry-over characters are downgraded to a common level, or if there is a relative downgrade of character attributes. Note that the OFFICIAL CoDS "playing season" doesn't get underway until Agnari gets his copy of CoDS. Until then, it's still the exhibition games, I'm afraid. Jeff T. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 74 Sat Oct 03, 1992 D.BILEK1 [Agent] at 19:36 EDT I got it from NTC software here in Toronto Jeff... It's the only place that I know of that has it up here. I dont know about where you live though. Of course, NTC always gets games in very early, as in Darklands case.. (that can be unfortunate though since sometimes early versions of games are REALLY buggy). Finally starting to get somewhere in CoDS even though I STILL dont have any armor and only the two good weapons I was able to bring over from Bane... Agent ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 75 Sat Oct 03, 1992 D.LIANG at 20:17 EDT Well, CoDS is availible in local retail store near me, but I am still waiting since I ordered it from SirTech last year ! Hi, Agent: Could you tell me which sound boards are supported, please. Dennis ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 76 Sat Oct 03, 1992 D.BILEK1 [Agent] at 21:58 EDT Dennis- CoDS supports Ad-lib, Roland LAPC-1/MT-32, Covox Voice/Sound Master, and the Sound Blaster... I've got a Sound Blaster and the music/sound FX are great. I learned a while back not to order directly from stores. Often it is more expensive AND you get it later. Agent ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 77 Sun Oct 04, 1992 M.PITCAVAGE [Pitman] at 00:58 EDT That was certainly not the case for me when I ordered Bane: I paid 20 dollars more than I should have, and Sir-Tech got it to me _after_ the stores had gotten theirs. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 78 Sun Oct 04, 1992 D.BILEK1 [Agent] at 10:38 EDT pipitman- That was my point! I said that I dont order direct anymore because you pay more and get it later!!! Hmmm.. I must have worded my post badly..oh well. Back to the game... Agent ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 79 Sun Oct 04, 1992 B.MCKAY1 at 14:11 EDT Hi all, Picked up cods on Friday in Winnipeg (seems like Canada gets the crpgs earlier!) and so far - great!!! Can't comment on transfering characters as I played bane on the amiga. Started a new party, didnt get much weapons or armour but had no problems starting (somewhere near newworld, although havent been able to get in yet). Got my characters up to level 4 last night. Havent found any bugs yet, after playing with darklands that was a welcome surprise! Takes up only about 6meg on thr HD (yes thats not a typo), great sound and graphics and the playabilty is just as you expect from sirtec. I forgive the delay! Now if only I can open that door.... ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 80 Sun Oct 04, 1992 D.BILEK1 [Agent] at 16:29 EDT Wow somebody else has CoDS!! He's right it is not too bad starting out. I just blew it and took a wrong turn somewhere so I ended up in the wilderness. Just head for the city and it is much easier. By the way , if you've played Bane you can jump in without reading the manual since the gameplay is almost exactly the same. Disarming traps is a lot different though so you might want to check it out. So far this game looks great!! One thing I did want to comment on is that the so-called auto mapping is pretty useless. If you transfer from Bane you start with mapping 0. I dont know what it is like with a higher skill but with 0 skill your "map" doesnt even show walls!!! I've started making my own maps just so I can get around. I really wish the mapping was more like that in Ultima Underworlds. (Now THAT was auto-mapping!!) Agent ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 81 Sun Oct 04, 1992 D.HAN [Asst. Sysop] at 19:23 EDT Agent: Bump your automap skill up, and your maps will start getting much more detailed. But despite this automap feature, you're gonna -have- to make your own maps; the automap simply does not cover enough ground in its given window (I'm currently 25 at mapping skill). Danny ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 82 Sun Oct 04, 1992 J.THOMAS69 [Jeff Thomas] at 19:56 EDT Hmmm. I should get this one tomorrow. Can I squeeze enough hard drive space for The Summoning, Clouds of Xeen, -and- Crusaders? Danny: Which Bane ending are you using to start Crusaders with? Jeff T. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 83 Sun Oct 04, 1992 M.PITCAVAGE [Pitman] at 22:41 EDT Agent, I guess we misunderstood each other. You said you learned not to order directly from stores, but I guess you meant companies. I thought you meant computer stores or game shops. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 84 Sun Oct 04, 1992 J.ANTONISSEN [Paul] at 23:09 EDT Is there a Macintosh version of CoDS?? ---Paul ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 85 Sun Oct 04, 1992 S.SHEPHERD1 at 23:49 EDT I hope you are having better luck than I am in Crusaders, I just seem to be wandering around aimlessly. I'm in the New City right now, but it's a total burnout. Where do we get decent weapons? The Black-knight ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 86 Mon Oct 05, 1992 D.BILEK1 [Agent] at 18:40 EDT yep I meant companies pitman! That's what I get for not reading over what I type. Black-Knight- I havent found any good weapons but fortunately I brought two with me from Bane. Actually I havent found much armor either. So far I've just found one plate vest and a couple of flak jackets. Agent ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 87 Mon Oct 05, 1992 SIR-TECH [Todd] at 19:49 EDT In New City try visiting the Arms of Argus, you can get the clue to what to say to him at the Inn. The MAC version will be released later this year. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 88 Mon Oct 05, 1992 APOCALYPSE at 21:04 EDT No luck getting here in Florida yet, Hope it's here by wednesday, it'll give me an entire day to play my first Wizardry game. You folks that already have it, let us know what we can expect... Apoc ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 89 Mon Oct 05, 1992 D.HAN [Asst. Sysop] at 21:44 EDT Jeff: I started with a fresh party, since I never completed Bane. Danny ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 90 Mon Oct 05, 1992 D.HAN [Asst. Sysop] at 21:47 EDT Folks, since I like to plan ahead (heh heh), I've opened up a SPOILERS topic for CoDS, topic #7. Use that topic for serious help-questions, and answers. Otherwise, general tips and chat can stay here. Danny ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 91 Mon Oct 05, 1992 P.CHIU [Samurai Sun] at 22:59 EDT Flak jackets? Are there modern weapons in this game too? That be cool if it did. Magic is great but I'd like to see someone stop a LAW Rocket. Phil ARGH! The people at Electronics Boutique don't seem to know yet that this game has started shipping. I just hope this game isn't like the SSI gold box games. Hack and slash is fine but gets pretty repetitive after a while. I just want a little more creative RPG style game(ie. ways to avoid combat etc) Phil Too bad about that auto mapping thing. I really don't like to keep track of records. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 92 Tue Oct 06, 1992 PHOTOBASE at 00:54 EDT I called Viking Software this morning, they were suppose to get copies today (mine might be here tomorrow - Heh heh). Sparks ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 93 Wed Oct 07, 1992 M.WYMAN1 [COMANCHE] at 19:48 EDT Well, I just picked up CODS from Software Etc in Mt PRospect Il (Chicagoland). I was drooling so much to try this that I left work early. It came on 2 1.44 meg floppies but I didn't check the final HD size. Installed fine on my 25 386. Supports alot of sound cards. I started with new characters and started to play. The intro is okay but nothing to write home about. The view port is small but the graphics look really good. The mouse support is great. It looks like they used a tweaked VGA mode (not the typical 320x200) but I could be wrong on this. The game play seems to be fairly the same as BOTCF. I had a hard time surviving at first but then I changed the skill level from EXPERT (I must have been on drugs to set it that high) to EASY. Much better. The story seems kinda weak so far. You are on a planet trying to collect pieces of a map to find a super duper highly secret of the universe (sounds like Hitchhikers Guide) but the idea of competing parties looking for the same items is really neat. I do have a question about the graphics. Anyone know how they do the dhading of objects in the distance. I have some routines to do the same viewing as CODS and the way I do shading is 16 colors at 10 intensity levels each. The further the wall I have to draw, the darker the intensity of the wall colors. Works fast even in Turbo C. Maybe some fellow hackers would have an idea. Sorry.....topic drift :) Well, so far so fun! I like this much better than the Nintendo colored Clouds of Xeen. Comanche ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 94 Wed Oct 07, 1992 D.BILEK1 [Agent] at 21:21 EDT I'm not sure if something's wrong with the storyline or not but I started out in Ukpyr with the Umpani and completed several missions they gave me. Then the T'rang came and killed the general and all the Umpani ran away. Now I'm in Nycalinth trying to complete the last mission the Umpani gave me but I cant seem to use the Thermal Pineapple right. Shritis T'rang also acts like the Umpani havent been killed yet. He said things about going to cut off General Yamo's head. (you'd think he'd remember doing that already). So how do I use the Pineapple to blow up the Queen T'rang? Now that I think about it this should probably be in a spoilers topic. W Well if you somebody answers you can put it in there... Agent ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 95 Wed Oct 07, 1992 B.SPADE at 21:44 EDT More feedback on distribution. Software Etc in San Diego was hoping to get it on the 5th, but still nothing on the seventh. Actually, CompUSA, a large discount house here, gets things fairly early, and has very good duscounts. The only game I every got from the source was U6, because you got extra goodies. That is a definite draw. ...Maybe Tomorrow.. ......Barb ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 96 Thu Oct 08, 1992 P.CHIU [Samurai Sun] at 00:08 EDT ARGH! Still no CODS and I live in Silicon Valley! One would think we would get stuff first. ARGHHHHHH! Phil ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 97 Thu Oct 08, 1992 J.THOMAS69 [Jeff Thomas] at 18:32 EDT Just picked this one up about an hour ago. Haven't had a chance to to install, but have been scanning the 100+ page manual. Gotta decide -which- party from Bane to bring over. Jeff T. p.s. Got this for $40 from MicroTyme in Dayton, Ohio. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 98 Thu Oct 08, 1992 J.THOMAS69 [Jeff Thomas] at 20:09 EDT Well, I picked the "Join Bela on Space Ship" beginning. My formerly invincible characters are now nothing more than mere mortals, and in fact I got wiped out big-time in my first encounter, with a bunch of Moths. Sheesh. The graphics, sounds, music, and especially the user-interface are light-years beyond that of Bane. I believe the nearly 1-year delay in this game is going to be worth it. Back to the forest... Jeff T. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 99 Thu Oct 08, 1992 K.SCHURECHT [Kurt] at 20:44 EDT Well, I finally got started today. The Babbages here in Illinois got 4 copies yesterday and I bought the last one yesterday at 5:00PM. (I hate their prices, but they were the first ones with it.) I took a look at all 3 continuation beginnings, not very much different, they all left me in the forest. But then I didn't check to see if they left me in the same place. I took the "take the pen" ending because that was the one I got too without any (much) help. The first thing I've come across is the Dane Tower. Looks good though. I have this feeling that everything I do will change something for the future. I can just see us later trying to disect how to get to 10 different endings????? (I don't know there are 0, it seems possible.) ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 100 Thu Oct 08, 1992 APOCALYPSE at 21:48 EDT Another distributing update. CotDS is here in Florida. Software ETC. received and sold out of it today in all Tampa locations. I, however will wait until it either gets to CompUSA or Electronics Boutique as they will only charge me $42.99 as opposed to $54.99 at ETC. Can't wait to test my Ultrasound on it! Apoc ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 101 Fri Oct 09, 1992 AGNARI at 00:36 EDT Well the UPS man dropped mine off about 6:00pm this evening. Unfortunately the credit card was billed on 23 Sept for 2day UPS and that's the package it arrived in on 8 Oct - sure I live in the sticks of West Texas but even in this backwards area we realize that there is more then 2 days btwn 23 Sept and 8 Oct. Todd you can let the front office know a letter and/or irate phone calls will be coming there way shortly. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 102 Fri Oct 09, 1992 P.CHIU [Samurai Sun] at 03:02 EDT Gee and to think I was the only one with UPS/shipping problems. So far this game looks good. Can't wait to see a copy come by here in Silicon Valley! Phil ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 103 Fri Oct 09, 1992 J.THOMAS69 [Jeff Thomas] at 19:03 EDT Geez. I'm having a H*LL of a time just trying to get out of the blasted forest. The spells left with my party sucks big time. Arggghh. Jeff T. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 104 Fri Oct 09, 1992 G.SCHROETER at 19:18 EDT I bought my copy at Babbages today, one of the last 2 left in stock there. They said their copies arrived Wednesday. So South Alabama didn't do too badly on arrival time. I've transferred my characters from BOCF, and have found the tower in the forest. Do I go in, or should I try to find the town? George ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 105 Fri Oct 09, 1992 AGNARI at 20:23 EDT Found an underground ruins(??) that I explored and have run into some wild orchids that are a pain. Also have been stopped at the gates to New City and have been told it's restricted. Should I ignore the warning and just enter the city, or will that cause me to be constantly attacked by savant troopers/guards? ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 106 Fri Oct 09, 1992 D.HAN [Asst. Sysop] at 22:25 EDT Ag: You _could_ force your way in (and in fact, I used that tactic successfully), or you can check out those ruins and find the answer. Danny ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 107 Fri Oct 09, 1992 P.CHIU [Samurai Sun] at 22:28 EDT Eeeeeeee! After waiting 6 months what do I find? $51.00 bucks for this game at Electronics Boutique. Ow! Guess I'll have to wait til it comes down in price. Dang! It looks so good! Phil ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 108 Fri Oct 09, 1992 P.CHIU [Samurai Sun] at 22:32 EDT Anyone want to sell their copy yet? Phil ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 109 Fri Oct 09, 1992 T.KRZMARZICK at 22:40 EDT Where is the best place to start. I took the pen and sohave ended up near t the tower of dain. I have ventured in there but eventually get wasted by the clerics of dain. Is this the right place to start or do I need to go elsewhere?? T.Krzmarzick ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 110 Fri Oct 09, 1992 M.WYMAN1 [COMANCHE] at 23:33 EDT Whew... this game is taking WAY too much of my time. Right now I have a pissed off wife :) Like this game but I hate those random encounters! There should be some reasoning behind having T'Rangs randomly appear in one building and b next store is some Umpanis. Hmmm......... Comanche ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 111 Fri Oct 09, 1992 J.GALLOWAY3 [Tiercel] at 23:50 EDT My first computer game was Wiz for Apple and never forgot how much I loved that experience in gaming. I tried BotCF and couldn't get through it....didn't think much of it....kind'a garish and tiersome, but have eagerly awaited CotDS. Will it be released for the Amiga and if so when? ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 112 Sat Oct 10, 1992 APOCALYPSE at 01:06 EDT Sam Sun, Elec Boutique should match prices. They're matching CompUsa's for me. Getting it tomorrow for $42 I don't think that price can be beat! Apoc ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 113 Sat Oct 10, 1992 AGNARI at 02:39 EDT Thanks Danny, I remembered that parchment from the other place so I got into the New City and have explored quite a bit of it. So far I've been lucky with the guards, and very unlucky with those rhino critters. Oh well several more rooms yet to explore and a musem to play with, or possibly I'll duck out the east gate and see what's on the other side of town. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 114 Sat Oct 10, 1992 J.ANTONISSEN [Paul] at 03:02 EDT While I (im)patiently wait for the MAC version, can anyone recommend a Wizardry type game for the MAC? --Thanx Paul ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 115 Sat Oct 10, 1992 D.HAN [Asst. Sysop] at 05:56 EDT The swimming skill will increase _on it's own_ through practice of the skill. But to ensure you get off to a good start in practicing that skill, make sure you pool all your points to swimming till each character is up to at least 10. From then on, you don't have to worry about spending any more points, since it'll increase all by itself through repeated use of skill. Danny ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 116 Sat Oct 10, 1992 J.THOMAS69 [Jeff Thomas] at 07:46 EDT Samurai Sun: Don't expect to get this one from me anytime soon, at the rate of progress I'm making I may not get finished until mid-1993. Even at the easy level, critters are using spells such as LifeSteal against me. Thank god for the Terminate Game option. I'm wandering Ukpur now. I went ahead and said I was going to join the Scout troops or whatever. Need or Should I do the Tower of Dain before going to Ukpur? Jeff T. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 117 Sat Oct 10, 1992 AGNARI at 10:26 EDT Yes all that YELLING we did in Wiz VI about endless/hopeless battles of 20 or 30 minutes with the only thing we could do was CNTOL-ALT-DEL must have gotten somebody's attention. Have found that resetting the delay level helped with the combat - somebody had indicated it was horrible. They must have set the delay near max so newbies didn't t get turned off by missing a lot of info data on the screen. But it made the combat PAINFULLY slow. Additionally this game really plays well if you port it to a RAMDRIVE. Of course it then won't run bcs you installed it to run from your harddrive; but if you then run the install against your ramdrive version it will modify the Scenario.Hdr file. Of course if you just copied that file back to the harddrive you couldn't run the game from the harddrive. But if you rename it to something like Ramdrive.hdr and store it in your C:\DSavant directory, tis an easy thing for the batch file that creates the ramdrive and copies all the files to then copy Ramdrive.hdr to Scenario.hdr right before running the game. I tell you saves or restoring from a ram drive are a PLEASURE!!!!!!! And with the nice option of indicating where to write the savefile, one can periodically put it on the harddrive or floppy just in case power is lost. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 118 Sat Oct 10, 1992 PHOTOBASE at 11:37 EDT Kurt, the ONLY ending I had was with a robot taking the pen from me, and the first thing I found was NEW TOWN. Im fighting many Servent Guards. My guys came out at at level 5 and I do have the Marasuma blade. I have to say, the interface is much much better than Bane. Spell casting is almost fun, graphics are much better and the forrest almost impossible to map. Anyone else seen the lady on the air bike? You can sure tell the type of ladies the artists like 8- > I went in Agnari. Yea lots of guards, but not just roaming around. Course, you know the pressures of online duty, so I have not played that much _yet_. I seem to have a better starting party, not having some of the problems I see here. Sparks ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 119 Sat Oct 10, 1992 J.THOMAS69 [Jeff Thomas] at 11:55 EDT I went back in and loaded the Take Pen ending, and came out with a much better equipped and attribute-laden party. In addition, I was also dumped to a different part of the forest. My old party didn't get ONE single potion, while the new party got plenty of them. At any rate, keep trying the Load Bane option on the same save file until you get the combination of items and spells/attributes that you wish. In one, my Lord got his Avenger sword. Anyone ever join the Scouts? Looks like a sort of time-waster, they give one order after another and take your gold from ya for various things. The whole episode is sort of amusing, though. Jeff T. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 120 Sat Oct 10, 1992 PHOTOBASE at 12:57 EDT Gawd I hate mapping. I have nothing but quesitons, played a few hours this morning, but the wife is looking at me while tapping her foot. Guess its time to start the honey do list. My guys are now level 6. If someone is having life steal spells thrown at them, they are probably at a more advanced part of the game. Dark Servant guards do not sleep very much. I almost lost a fight to some T'Rang Rangers, had a Fireball spell backfire, it almost dusted my mage - BTW, T'Rang Rangers can throw spells. Sparks <------ REALLY LIKES THIS GAME ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 121 Sat Oct 10, 1992 SIR-TECH [Todd] at 14:46 EDT Photobase: Don't venture to far until your characters are high enough level and you won't meet such nasty monsters. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 122 Sat Oct 10, 1992 SIR-TECH [Todd] at 14:52 EDT To all Mac and Amiga CODS players: We expect to release these formats in early '93, BUT don't hold us to this. Now that the MS-DOS version in on the market without any bugs as far as we know, we don't expect any serious application software nightmares to overcome. But we don't know about unique problems which are related to the Amiga and Mac hardware platforms. Conversions started about two weeks ago and are proceeding smoothly. So as matters stand now, expect these in early '93 barring problems. Updates will be posted as we have more info. Rob Sirotek ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 123 Sat Oct 10, 1992 P.GANGI1 [PMG] at 15:56 EDT Hi ALl, Could someone please! tell me how/where to cure disease? Also how do I get to talk with the weapons dealer in New City? Thanks Paul ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 124 Sat Oct 10, 1992 D.BILEK1 [Agent] at 17:13 EDT I found the best way to start was to join the Umpani scouts and run their missions for them. It should get you some equipment, money, and an easy method of movement between cities. Anybody figure out what to do with the statues in the New City Museum? I havent figured it out yet. I found Old City but I didnt find a ?Legend? map there. Also, has anyone figured out the combination for the locked door in the Umpani HQ in New City... Questions, questions, questions... Agent ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 125 Sat Oct 10, 1992 J.THOMAS69 [Jeff Thomas] at 17:25 EDT Sir-Tech: Is was -I- who was having that problem with people casting LifeSteal! When I used the Bane Transfer (Join Bela on Ship ship option) I was dumped near the city of Ukpyr, with a sadly depleted party. When I used the Take Key option, I was dumped near New City with a much better party. Jeff T. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 126 Sun Oct 11, 1992 P.CHIU [Samurai Sun] at 04:58 EDT Wow I didn't think CompUSA would get their copies so fast. usually they end up with the second or third shipments later than the rest. Well off to CompUSA tommorow. Phil ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 127 Sun Oct 11, 1992 AGNARI at 10:53 EDT Anyone ever figure out how this Journey Kit is supposed to operate? My Ninja has a 35 skill in mapping and I get nada whenever I try to read the map kit and of course the index doesn't list journey kits or mapping ARRRGH. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 128 Sun Oct 11, 1992 M.HUSTON1 [Mark] at 12:02 EDT It took me a while to figure it out, but you have to use the map kit from the main screen. For some reason, reading it on the character screen doesn't work. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 129 Sun Oct 11, 1992 AGNARI at 13:42 EDT Ok thanks, now if I can figure out how to use it from the main screen I should be in good shape. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 130 Sun Oct 11, 1992 M.HUSTON1 [Mark] at 14:15 EDT To use the map kit from the main screen, click on the "use" icon, select the character with the map kit and mapping skill, then click on the map kit and choose "use". This will bring up the map. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 131 Sun Oct 11, 1992 S.BAKER26 [V'ger] at 19:01 EDT Jeff, I think what you get is entirely random. My go with the dragon party got two Spears of Death and one Murasama and most of my potions and pixie sticks and such. Didn't get much armor for the non- ninja types though. 8( Thanks for the heads up on scouts. I just joined the Uprani scouts so we'll see. 8) Y'all, Anybody know if this nifty new dippy skill goes up though use? I just went up a level and forgot to increment it. I'd also like to know if mapping goes up without spending. Twisty little passages, All alike. V'ger gone ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 132 Sun Oct 11, 1992 PHOTOBASE at 21:38 EDT Thanks Mark for the mapping info. I have wasted a lot of spell points on the Knock Knock spell from the character menu. It has to be use from the main screen. Sparks ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 133 Mon Oct 12, 1992 P.CHIU [Samurai Sun] at 01:15 EDT Having never played Bane, just how tough is the game with pre-rolled characters? I've played the SSI gold box games and it is very important to transfer characters. I'm going to get this game soon so please help. Phil BTW, I did play Bane but the graphics turned me off. How is this game in terms of visual appeal? ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 134 Mon Oct 12, 1992 B.DUNCAN7 [Brian Duncan] at 02:48 EDT To Sir-Tech(or anyone else who may help): Should I be able to finish up the "section" of the game I was deposited near? I chose the Take the Pen start and was put near the Tower of Dane, and after roaming around in the tower for a while and raising a few levels(both in skills and in the tower), I've found that I am getting stuck, for one thing the door guy wants 5,000 gold for "dues" and I don't have it, and can't forsee getting it too readily in the tower, and for another the monsters are getting a lot tougher(but that's academic, the biggest problem is the gold factor). It would be disappointing if I had to run all the way down the tower and go roaming somewhere else, because there are some deadly spots(those damn bubbles from the sky/encounters). Thanks for any help.(I just finished the Temple of Deadly Coffers). ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 135 Mon Oct 12, 1992 PHOTOBASE at 03:12 EDT Samurai Sun, Graphics are much better, they are SVGA 256 level. As far as starting with new characters, go ahead. One word of caution: pour over the creation part of the manual and map out what you want then roll till you get it. There are many opinions but I really would not want to face Wiz without a Lord, Ninja and Samurai. My Lord is now getting three swings twice a round. Sparks ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 136 Mon Oct 12, 1992 P.CHIU [Samurai Sun] at 04:35 EDT Thanks. I've played only Wiz One so I figure that the characters may have changed over the past 5-6 games. Yeah a ninja should be the way to go since they also double as a thief. Well off to buy the game. Phil ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 137 Mon Oct 12, 1992 DVANDERSLICE [Gremlyn] at 10:12 EDT Some questions....when creating characters, I was never given the choice of Ninja, Lord, or Samurai...I tried every race....How do I make them. Also my mag [A [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [A [A Lord, Samurai, or Ninja...How do I make them? Al [C [C, my mage is level 7, but during his last two advancments, I got no new spells.....is this random or do I need to increase some skill? ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 138 Mon Oct 12, 1992 AGNARI at 12:20 EDT Gremlyn you have to PUMP up those spell skills like Thaumaturgy or Alchemy or what ever is appropriate for that char/profession if you want to see new spells. I couldn't live without my Ninjia leader with his Samurai and Lord buddies in the front lines. And for backup I've found a Priest/Bishop with a PSI and Mage all equipped with Quarterstaffs {E weapon so they can attack physically also} a marvelous second string. That way everyone fights and everyone casts spells. Of course all of thoser chars were multipule professions in BoCF to learn a lot of different skills or spells till finally reaching their final profession around the time of entering the enchanted forest. Sparks, somewhere I remember using the INFO from that black wafer to disarm something on the initial runthru of the game. Unfortunately I haven't found where to use it with this party ;( But I think the wafer is more of crib sheet for a password then something to be used like a key. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 139 Mon Oct 12, 1992 D.BILEK1 [Agent] at 19:23 EDT My party consists of a Samurai with the Muramasa Blade, a Ninja using just hands and feet, a Lord with The Avenger, and a bishop, mage, and priest using quarterstaffs. That party saw me through Bane also so it seems like a good mix! Agent ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 140 Mon Oct 12, 1992 PHOTOBASE at 20:44 EDT Agnari, I have found that if you go to the area in New City with the security door and use the waffer, alarms go off you have have a good fight on your hands. Its a really good Stat builder, around 8K a round. There is a big difference between Servant Guards and Serant Troopers. Im now in some Holy City, but at the river I was surprised to see the text did not pause for me to write down all the things the brother said, so Im afraid I missed some stuff. It seems to me that resting regenerates magic points faster.Anyone notice that? Agent how did you get both the Muramasa and Avenger? You must have been porting over all day long. My party is the same as your except I have two Bishops and one mage. Sparks ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 141 Mon Oct 12, 1992 AGNARI at 21:48 EDT Sparks, some of my crew regenerate magic faster then the others will have to check to see if it might be related to thier acdemic skills or possibly race/int. Had the same trouble with Brother Ts..... not sure what the exact phrase of the wording to tell somebody was... ARRRGGGGHHHH but yet that stupid stuff to enter the Inn or Armory seems to stay up forever!!!! Think they have to rethink the delays on the text from NPCs vrs the delay from fighting or what not. Should have two setable delay variables IMO. I got NONE of my nice weapons in the port, and the samauri only got 2 of his 3 nice armor, the lord got his helment and nothing else and of all the enchanted wizard stuff only got the cap. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 142 Mon Oct 12, 1992 J.THOMAS69 [Jeff Thomas] at 22:11 EDT Ag/Sparks: Just hit the SPACE bar to pause text. Jeff T. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 143 Mon Oct 12, 1992 B.MCKAY1 [B.Mac] at 22:19 EDT Hello all I did not transfer characters over so started at level 1 near New City. Have gone through most of it but cant get into umpani hq or passed the door with the slot (the alarm keeps going off). Dont know what to do in the museum or how to get into old city...yet. Did get asked to go on a mission from the Capt. - anyone know if you have a time limit on this kind of thing? Mapping-I find the auto mapping good, but I still make my own. My mapping skill is about 30 and doesnt yet show doors, etc. This is what crpg is all about, thank you Sir Tech. Wife and kids are in bed so time to journey onward! B.Mac ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 144 Tue Oct 13, 1992 APOCALYPSE at 00:23 EDT People, I picked up CotDS the other day and haven't had a chance to do anything but take it for a quick test run. I'm testing a Ultrasound card on it right now and to let you know, the music sounds very good. I have a question to the Soundblaster owners. Is there any digitized speech in the intro? How about sounds during combat? I don't hear any, and was wondering if this is common or if I need to reconfigure a little. Thanx for your time. Apoc ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 145 Tue Oct 13, 1992 G.RIGGS3 at 00:43 EDT To anyone who downloaded MAPTCHR.ZIP, I put the file up before relizing that the savegame.dbs file grows as the game progresses. So, to use mapteach.exe you need to use it on a game saved very near the beggining or it will modify the wrong skill. Sorry, Gary P.S. For mapteach.exe to work the savegame file needs to 14,324 in size. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 146 Tue Oct 13, 1992 PHOTOBASE at 00:54 EDT After reading the message earlier, I saved by level 8 guys and re- ported. Bingo. The first time I got the Avenger and the Murasuma (SP?) blade. Less armor and fewer spells, guess its a trade off and just depends on what you want. The fewer spells do hurt, but I have always contended that a few good fighters that can take out a bad guy per turn is worth a lot. Spells are up there, but I've seen plenty of times when the party was saved by the stud staying in there and just wacking away while all the whimps were sleeping or stoned. Thanks Jeff for the pause answer. From what B.Mac says, I can see another price of porting, the mapping thing. B.Mac, what level are your guys now that you have mapped New City? Sparks ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 147 Tue Oct 13, 1992 P.CHIU [Samurai Sun] at 05:30 EDT Well I must say this game is better laid out than MM(Xeen). I really do like the background music and sound FX. GREAT JOB Sir Tech. The only thing I'm kind of griping at is that there was no re-roll options at the beginning so if you didn't like your stats you could re-roll. That way I can at least start with some decent characters like the ninja or Psionic. It looks like one has to go through the entire sequence before you can delete the character and start a new one. Also I still don't know how to add a new character to the party if your old ones die. The inn in the new city doesn't help. Anyone help me. I keep getting tired of restoring the saved games. Well started off with level 1 characters and BOY is it tough at level 1. I wish someone would upload some studly characters here on GENIE. They don't have to be godlike but just enough so a person can handle the wimpy creatures and not have to worry about resting every 15 minutes. Most of my characters are now level 4-5 but I still can't defeat the tons of ratkin which are running around. Those suckers are fast! Anyone know where to go in New City. Seems to me it's dangerous to rest anywhere in there including the inn. I can usually beat the wandering Savant patrols but not when there are more than 6 or so. Well off to hack and slash land. Now I just wish I had some nifty magical weapons and armor. Phil ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 148 Tue Oct 13, 1992 J.THOMAS69 [Jeff Thomas] at 18:39 EDT Samurai Sun: Back a while ago, at the bequest of a few others, I did upload save game files for each of the 3 endings of Bane. Jeff T. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 149 Tue Oct 13, 1992 D.BILEK1 [Agent] at 18:45 EDT Apoc- I've got a soundblaster and no there isnt any digitized speech. The music and sound ARE good though. Sparks- Yep I thought the two fighters having great weapons was worth it too. I started with wimpy spells and only helmets for armor but BOY do those fighters smash, hack, and chop! As someone previously pointed out if you press SPACEBAR it pauses the text until you hit a key. Agent ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 150 Tue Oct 13, 1992 AGNARI at 20:04 EDT Well being curious I timed the wiz.bat file I have which creates the ramdrive, makes the subdirectory, copies all of the DSavant files to the ramdrive and then starts the game :: 44.29 seconds from <CR> to the green Wizardry book displayed. IF YOU have over 6 megs of extended memory you've really got to move this game to a ramdrive. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 151 Tue Oct 13, 1992 B.MCKAY1 [B.Mac] at 22:55 EDT Sparks- My guys are all level 7. My thief is my mapper and is currently at 23 not 30 as prev. mentioned. (wishfull thinking I guess!) Samurai Sun- I found sleeping in almost any room (that was cleared out) to be ok, just make sure you save first as random encounters are known to happen. You can also walk to the healing fountain to the east. No reroll option. this is the same way Bane was set up. I dont think you can add a character to your party, but you can resurrect a member(you lose one point of vitality) Apoc- I have a soundblaster pro and as Agent says there is no speech, but there are digitized sounds (chants, swords clashing, etc.) during encounters. later B.Mac ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 152 Wed Oct 14, 1992 D.LIANG at 00:28 EDT Hi, Sir-Tech: I just received CoDS today, and noticed the post mark on the box was dated Oct. 7 and credit card slip was dated Sep. 23. I cannot begin to tell you how happy I was upon discovering this.:< Dennis ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 153 Wed Oct 14, 1992 S.BAKER26 [V'ger] at 02:47 EDT Dear Sir-Tech, I am very happy with the many improvements you have made to the Bane system. However, I'm really ticked at some of the things you kept and did. To wit: why oh WHY do you STILL make us roll and roll and roll and ROLL in order to get some of the character types such as the Ninja? If you feel that these characters are so powerful, why not INCREASE the other classes abilities? I WAS going to roll up a new party to see the differences but quit in frustration. We're supposed to be having FUN creating characters. If you want an example of what your system should immitate, look at the creation process of Darklands. I spent a lot of time fooling around with that system just to see what I could do, in the DELIGHTFUL knowledge that I could EXACTLY reproduce the results if I found a carreer path that I liked. Why, when you introduced several new regular skills (mapping, swimming, dipplomacy and climbing) didn't you provide us SOME level of competence? Why not have involved the player in the choice of what to bring over and where to put the skill points from the old characters? (Perhaps you could have led players through the level increase procedure for each of the five levels so that WE could make the decisions.) Why is mapping a skill and not part of the basic utilities? The Summoning and Ultima Underworld have BEAUTIFUL maps that take care of the pain of making your own. I got so annoyed at these things that I hacked my characters to give my gal a map skill of 100. The result, while better, is still not worth a whole lot. We are gaming to have FUN, NOT to go though some sort of TORTURE test! Finnally, I am thankful for the skill and immagination that went into this game, the many improvements you have made (like the trap stuff, that looks NEAT!) and the wonderful artwork, music and animation. I am sure that I will enjoy playing this game MUCH more than I enjoyed Bane, and Bane is the only CRPG I have EVER played through more than once, but PLEASE consider these changes for the next incarnation. Dipplomacy, what's dipplomacy? V'ger gone ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 154 Wed Oct 14, 1992 S.GOLDSTEIN6 [Steve G.] at 06:52 EDT Todd, What happend to Nov. for the Amiga release? ;) Ah, well. its off to some Euro-adventures for a while. Steve G. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 155 Wed Oct 14, 1992 AGNARI at 19:53 EDT Anyone got clues on how one gets these NPCs to talk? I can only get with options truce, bribe, force and eventually they get hostile and leave - btw my diplomacy skill is/was 56 or 65 last time I looked ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 156 Wed Oct 14, 1992 J.THOMAS69 [Jeff Thomas] at 22:02 EDT Agnari: Are you editing the save games again??? Last I saw, you said your swimming skills were at 100, and now your diplomacy skills at 65 or so. It's taking forever to get my Bishop's swimming skills up because each time he goes up a level, I only get like 2 points to spend on Physical Skills. Aigggh. As for talking to NPCs, it looks like first, you've got to make friends then find some word or phrase elsewheres that can be used to dig an item or something out of them, as far as I can tell. Jeff T. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 157 Wed Oct 14, 1992 AGNARI at 23:23 EDT JEFF READ MY POSTS, the swimming skill can be advanced just like the weapon skills - that is once you get past about 7-10 in the skill. Then it takes HOURS of real time wading/swimming into one square and then directly back out, resting forever to get all the lost stamina built back up and then repeating the process FOREVER1 BTW I read the clue hear from someone about the needing swiming so I pumped it up [with each lvl advance to the max over such useful things like climbing or oratory. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 158 Thu Oct 15, 1992 P.LEONTESCU2 [Overkill] at 18:20 EDT I just bought this game yesterday and I played it for about 5 hours. Great game but I have one question. The back of the box mentions auto mapping. However I can't figure out how to use it. I found the mapping kit and one of my characters has a mapping skill level of 8. How do you get to use it? ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 159 Thu Oct 15, 1992 R.ROYCE [Randy] at 19:42 EDT You found the mapping kit? I've been playing this game for a week and can't find it anywhere :( Oh well........... ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 160 Thu Oct 15, 1992 AGNARI at 20:47 EDT Randy my guys transferred over with one and then found one in the intial starting area {take the pen conclusion} in a chest. Overkill I had the same problems and the index doesn't mention anything about it; but, one of our clever members has mentioned that if you take the USE option from the main game screen [not a char screen] click on the one having the map and then highlight the map and click on use you get a look at aboyt a 8x8 map in the area where you are currently {assuming you've wandered around there}. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 161 Thu Oct 15, 1992 P.LEONTESCU2 [Overkill] at 22:14 EDT R.Royce, If you started with new characters, the mapping kit can be found very close to the starting location in the game. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 162 Fri Oct 16, 1992 D.DORBUCK [ZAPHOD] at 00:49 EDT Sir Tech, Just got the game and have to ask .. Why did you leave out sound support for the Pro Audio Spectrum family of soundcards ?? After all you have support for the corvox family of cards and be honest, how many corvox users do we have here ?? I hope this oversight will be cured in the near future. Hopefully for this game and not the next one in the series. Thanks Zaphod ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 163 Fri Oct 16, 1992 PHOTOBASE at 02:17 EDT Thanks Jeff... I find getting even 10 swimming to challange. My mapping is not up to 3 or maybe even 4. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 164 Fri Oct 16, 1992 J.THOMAS69 [Jeff Thomas] at 18:47 EDT I've noticed that even when I successfully cast SILENCE on the Gorn Rangers, that they still come back and cast spells such as Blinding Flash and Itching. I -KNOW- I caught ALL of the Rangers with Silence. I just noticed for the first time, that when you drop an item on a square, and then later step on that square again, the item dropped apears in the lower right-hand corner of the screen, and you can click on the item to put it into inventory. I thought I read the manul thoroughly and didn't remember seeing that feature mentioned anywhere. Agnari: Isn't time a factor in this game? I haven't really been building up characters as in Bane because I assumed that time is a factor in beating those other parties to the Astral Dominae... Jeff T. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 165 Fri Oct 16, 1992 AGNARI at 19:02 EDT Jeff, time may be a factor; but, it's not one that I agree with. So D*MN the time element explore everywhere is my philosophy - or at least for this playing of the game ;) ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 166 Fri Oct 16, 1992 M.ANDERSON41 [Mark] at 20:40 EDT Jeff T, Blinding Flash and Itching Skin are Alchemist spells. I remember being very frustrated in Bane when I first encountered monsters with Alchemist spells: It is clearly documented, in both manuals, that "due to the nature of their spells" the Alchemist does not suffer from low oratory or the silence spell. (Perhaps it would make sense to borrow an idea from Darklands and require Throwing skill). Rangers and Ninjas use the same spells. Mark ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 167 Fri Oct 16, 1992 P.CHIU [Samurai Sun] at 22:44 EDT dang. I can't add new party member to my party if one dies or at least I can't figure out how to. I'm so used to playing the first Wiz game in which I would take a couple of butch characters and help them to beef up novice characters. did this option get left out on purpose? I often lose fighters and rather than start off with a totally new party with no veterans, I'd like to mix and match. So far from what I've seen, once a character dies there is no choice but to ressurect him/her or just delete him from the party. Well so far mapped out the entire New City but can't seem to figure out how to get to the Old City. I saw a sign in the Condemened area but no entrance. Anyone been to the old city yet? Also, I don't understand the imp statue in the museum. What's the combo? I'm also frustrated that it takes forever to beef up physical skills. I would have thought that if you use a skill and each time you SUCCEED you should see an increase in that skill. Makes sense. So far I don't think this is happening. Even if a character was awarded a point for everytime he succeeded, a person would inventually be proficient in that skill. These skill categories reminds me so much of Runequest system by Avalon Hill. Anyway, anyone been successful in negotiating with Mick the Pick or Lt. Gruntwrapper in the city? Phil PS - Great game so far. BTW automapping doesn't work unless you have a map kit and there is one near the starting point for those starting out fresh with lvl 1 characters. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 168 Fri Oct 16, 1992 A.GEYER1 [Lex] at 23:12 EDT Samurai, Once you get a musket of your own (supply depot in Upkyr), your skill points do go up everytime you practice and get a hit on the firing range. I think they go up a point each time you fire in combat and hit as well. I evidently was lucky enough to port over from Bane with a map kit as it was among my very motley collection of initial weapons and armor. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 169 Fri Oct 16, 1992 AGNARI at 23:59 EDT Phil, yes that option of mix'n'matching novice and veteran adventures was dropped from Wiz VI. Now if an adventurer dies, you either 1) restore from earlier save position, 2) resurrect the individual, or 3) play on with less the max number of characters. BTW in Wiz VI the manual was wrong in that once started nobody new could be added, I expect this mistake wasn't repeated in VII's manual - but then I haven't read it very closely. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 170 Sat Oct 17, 1992 P.CHIU [Samurai Sun] at 04:16 EDT Thanks guys. But can someone help me in the New City. I'm getting bogged down trying to get into those buildings which are off limits. Or is there no way in them(ie. The Umpani outpost and the T'Rang house) I still have no clue as to how to get to the old city. Phil It's still too bad that you can't mix veteran characters with novices. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 171 Sat Oct 17, 1992 AGNARI at 10:25 EDT Samurai Sun please check the *SPOILERS* topic for your old city question's answer. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 172 Sat Oct 17, 1992 J.THOMAS69 [Jeff Thomas] at 10:28 EDT Phil: I think that the Umpani and T'Rang places will available to you later in the game. As for the Old City access, have you been speaking with a certain Prof Wunderlund over in the Library??? Jeff T. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 173 Sat Oct 17, 1992 P.CHIU [Samurai Sun] at 14:54 EDT Soorry Agnari. I thought I asked that question earlier about a spoilers topic but I never received an answer. Thanks Jeff - I tried to pry the answer out of the Professor but he kept retelling me the history of the New City. A mighty long story with no interrupt or bypass option. Thanks Phil ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 174 Sat Oct 17, 1992 G.UYEDA [Greg] at 16:44 EDT Anyone found bugs yet? BoCF was bug free for me, but the way other releases have been coming out I'm a little gun shy about buying anything at first crack. Greg ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 175 Sat Oct 17, 1992 AGNARI at 17:49 EDT Well Greg with a game originally sked for release in Fall of 91 you would expect a LOT of those bugs plaguing the other developers would have been corrected with the delay till Fall of 92. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 176 Sun Oct 18, 1992 S.BAKER26 [V'ger] at 00:28 EDT Samurai, You can get into the Umpani detache from Ukpyr. After you go on a couple of missions for them they give you something that lets you in. Those missions are well worth while too. I got c15000 in gold for completing them. Y'all, I'm wondering around New City now and I just bought the ?fools? map. Have I been had? It was 10,000 samolians so I'd be rather ticked if I have. The reason I ask is that Ratsputin cheerfully told me that he had sold that same map to Barlone. Anybody know where I can general equipment and armor? I'm changing classes on my characters and it would be nice to get them some stuff that fits. Duty... V'ger gone ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 177 Sun Oct 18, 1992 J.LEWIS7 at 07:31 EDT I'm just getting started in this game and my wimpy characters cant get past any of the three four possible directions, except for the dungeon a little ways. Guess I'll just look for that map kit. Any clue which way it is? I'm playing with the level one beginners. Agnari, the Amiga Bane box had an insert that told about the mistake in the manual about not being add to a team once started. RE: character generation. I remember beeing frustrated by this when I started Bane the first time. The second time I started it, tho, I realized it was OK to try to obtain the exotic classes, but if I got one that was fairly close, I kept it, knowing he or she would eventually be able to become what I was wanting to obtain. This method worked extremely well in my second Bane game. My characters are more advanced and even attaining some of the highest level spells than my first party had after the forrest area. (My current second game party is just entering the forrest). And yes, I am still playing Bane off and on. ANyway, I hope this assumption works in this game too. Argus ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 178 Sun Oct 18, 1992 J.THOMAS69 [Jeff Thomas] at 09:13 EDT V'ger: Hmmm. I bought the *TEMPLE* map for 10,000 gold once. I don't think you've been had. Seems like at random, some of the maps will be obtained by NPCs if maybe the quest to acquire that map isn't completed in a certain amount of time...just a guess. Jeff T. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 179 Sun Oct 18, 1992 J.LEWIS7 at 11:06 EDT Does everyone in the party need swim and climb skills? I have one complain (unless I am unaware of something), I am using a mouse in the game, but it is really tiresome to have to click with it for each command in most parts of the game. I am glad the interface was overall streamlined and simplified from Bane, but sure wish they had left in the combination keyboard/mouse support (in more places, I mean). In combat this is especially a hinderance. I got so used to hitting return in Bane when I wanted to choose Fight. Is there a way to set up keyboard support and keep the mouse. Most games nowdays have this choice. ? I have tendonitous in my right hand from using a mouse for five years, and have switched to the left hand recently. I am not looking forward to several thousands of battles, but I guess its unavoidable; I'm already hooked on the game itself, which is great. The graphics and artwork are wonderful also, and the sound. I was wondering if someone could tell me what graphics mode it is in exactly? The overall picture qualtiy seems better than most VGA or MCGA games I have seen, which are usually 200 x 320, or something like that I think. Argus ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 180 Sun Oct 18, 1992 P.LEONTESCU2 [Overkill] at 11:53 EDT As far as I can tell, the graphics are in 320x200 VGA mode. After all that is what you pick in the configurtion menu :) ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 181 Sun Oct 18, 1992 AGNARI at 13:29 EDT Argus, everyone in the party that you don't want to drown need swimming skills. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 182 Sun Oct 18, 1992 J.LEWIS7 [Argus] at 16:29 EDT Thanks for the info, folks. Sir Tech improved the early level building/ encounters a lot. No more running down the same old corridors waiting endlessly for a minor encounter. Plenty of things to do and places to go in this one so far. Getting ready to mop up the thugs at the city gate. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 183 Sun Oct 18, 1992 B.PHILLIPS7 [B.Phillips7] at 20:18 EDT Can anyone tell me if you can add a new character to the characters from Bane? In place of one of the others. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 184 Sun Oct 18, 1992 G.BECK7 at 22:45 EDT Is there a doctor in the dungeon? Hi. One of my samurai caught a disease while searching the New City Museum and time has not healed him. Usually, most of my characters can sleep it off. However, this disease seems to be chronic. I have tried using spells to treat the symptoms (cure poison, cure paralysis, etc.) to no avail. Has anyone encountered uncurable diseases? Thanks, and do you accept Blue Cross? <g> Greg ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 185 Sun Oct 18, 1992 B.DUNCAN7 [Brian Duncan] at 23:38 EDT I think I found a bug, er uh, undocumented feature, that is if your character has a weapon to throw in his secondary hand(shuriken, dart, etc.) and he uses his last one in combat and then gets a second attack with his secondary weapon, then he will throw his Primary weapon away! I've thrown a sword, a sai, even nothing(it was my ninja and he was using his hands as his primary weapon) and it did damage! Here's a hint, for those of you wanting to increase your Artifact skill, don't throw away(or sell) all those Sparkle Stix you come across, just have your mage use them in combat when he doesn't have something better to do and it'll usually increase his Artifact skill about +1. I went from 30 to 67 with about 50 stix. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 186 Mon Oct 19, 1992 C.YANG6 [Jason Yang] at 01:16 EDT I just found out something that may be a (non-fatal) bug. I use Roland for music and when I rest, the resting stops automatically when the accompanying music stops. The resting period seems more than eight hours as stated in the documentation. To test this out, I turn off the music and do a rest. Resting stops automatically much faster then when the music is playing. Comparing the effects of resting also shows that with music on, resting replenishes more spell points. Conclusion: Resting with music on takes more then 8 hours. Of course you can always stop it manually... Jason ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 187 Mon Oct 19, 1992 J.LEWIS7 [Argus] at 01:50 EDT Well, now Im out of things to do. (Except for slash and hack). Ive explored New City quite a bit, except for the red marked places, which I cant survive. What should I do next? I mostly finished the starter dungeon, except for the last unopenable chest. I must have missed something in my explorations. if so, what? My party is at about level 5. Argus ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 188 Mon Oct 19, 1992 J.THOMAS69 [Jeff Thomas] at 18:35 EDT Argus: What starter dungeon???? There's a few folks in New City who can direct you to a next possible quest - namely, Captain Boriergard or Brother Rulae... Jeff T. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 189 Mon Oct 19, 1992 B.TONEY2 [TOP CAT] at 19:13 EDT Greg: I believe that a higher level Cure Lesser Condition, of a 5 or 6 Power Level, will cure that disease of yours. I hope your Priest is capable, or will be soon. <grin> Brian: Thanks for the Sparkle Stix idea! Argus: When I was at about Level 5 and looking for things to do, I began to explore the wilderness area East of New City, and running back to the fountaing of healing for R&R. TC. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 190 Mon Oct 19, 1992 P.LEONTESCU2 [Overkill] at 19:30 EDT G.Beck7, I guess I'm not the only one who got the uncurable illness from the museum :) My poor samurai got this illness which seemed uncurable. Even when he died and came back to life he was still sick. Anyway to cure this illness you have to go to Thesminster Abbey (in New City) and give the monk all your money (not some) then go down and drink from the fountain. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 191 Mon Oct 19, 1992 E.LARGE [Merkin] at 22:51 EDT Pretty sad to hear so many guys port over and over from bane to get the perfect start and then hack stats....why bother playing? If the game seems tough asnd time consuming so be it. I for one am just thankful that so far it is the only clean piece of software I have bought in a VERY long time. My advice to those folks bogging down in any particular area is to move on and return later. It has been my experience that early difficulties will work themselves out later. Merkin ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 192 Mon Oct 19, 1992 J.LEWIS7 [Argus] at 23:26 EDT RE: Starter dungeon... the one near the beginning point of the game for new parties and near the city. I heard some one call it that, so I assumed thats what it was. Im keeping busy mapping new city now. I was rather presumpuous thinking I had covered most of it. Before mapping I must have been going in alot of circles. I have been wondering how crucial the time passing is in this game, and if it is possible to lose the game from taking too long to finish it. I think it would be a big dissapointment if after 500 hours of game play you find a message at the endgame that Kilroy had been there and left with the treasure. I notice that time seems to pass every step taken. (Because the moon moves.) I know I seem to have missed a major war in new city, but I assume that is just part of the story- I hope. I found nothing useful in Paluke's. (nothing I needed anyway, there was some stuff). Paluke said most of the stuff had gone to the war effort. As i say, its probably in the story. Argus ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 193 Tue Oct 20, 1992 PHOTOBASE at 00:26 EDT Argus, go talk to the NPC in the Temple, and tell him Spirit. Sparks ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 194 Tue Oct 20, 1992 P.CHIU [Samurai Sun] at 05:55 EDT Argus - Keep going back to Palukes. His inventory changes as your party advances. Ipicked up some neat stuff for my Samurai. Phil ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 195 Tue Oct 20, 1992 AGNARI at 18:15 EDT Any one have a clue as to what that "individual" [read pin-headed dweeb] over in dream lands wants to let me pass? I don't have a clue and didn't seem to find anything down below that would have helped any. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 196 Tue Oct 20, 1992 J.THOMAS69 [Jeff Thomas] at 19:15 EDT Agnari: If he's the dude in the Palace then he wants a phrase that Brother Moser has.... Jeff T. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 197 Tue Oct 20, 1992 G.BECK7 at 21:21 EDT TC et. al., Thanks for the consult. My priest went back to school and learned the "Cure Disease" spell. Does the trick! As for that Imp/Devil puzzle, I remember having seen a perceptual demonstration on a coctail napkin once of how a picture of a devil, when turned upside down, looks like an imp. Wish I could remember where. Great game, eh? Since I'm a little late getting to the maps, I've had to resort to buying 'em. Have cleaned out most of the Dane temple, except for figuring out what to put in the candle holders near the very top of the tower. Hope I can pull my weight in this topic. Thanks, again. Greg ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 198 Wed Oct 21, 1992 R.ROBBERSON1 [Highlander] at 00:56 EDT Anybody have success running this game under DR-DOS? My friend is having intermittent problems getting it to load - it usually crashes as a meory error, even though DR-DOS tells him he has enough memory. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 199 Wed Oct 21, 1992 APOCALYPSE at 19:02 EDT All, I'm just getting started in CoDS and am interested in creating a Ninja for one of my characters. What's the best way to get one... keep trying for hours? How about a Lord? Apoc ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 200 Wed Oct 21, 1992 AGNARI at 20:36 EDT Apoc I find it easiest of course to bring them over from BoCF haven't even played with char creation in CoDS ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 201 Thu Oct 22, 1992 C.WILLIAMS55 at 02:11 EDT Hey Todd aka SIR-TECH, I just wanted to let you know that I wanted Crusaders so badly that when I discovered the local Software store was sold out I copied a friends wrote as CRACk for it then bought it 4 days later and the registration is in the mail!!!! Its everything I'd hoped it would be and I would definat- ly not want to cheat you out of any of your well-deserved income!! And I AM POSITIVELY NOT DISTIBUTING the crack I wrote. I dont want to contribute to the unemployment index!<G> QUESTION.. will SIR-TECH be coming out with a 386 VGA version? I love the game but I'd love to see what you guys could do with mega- machine only rendition of the game. A couple of hints/suggestions for your programmers for later games.. 1.add a description line to the save game feature. I have trouble sometimes remembering what those 8 letters mean and I WROTE THEM! 2.add a hot key for pulling up the map if a party member has the map kit. and allow scrolling!! after all if a character has drawn a few maps he should be able to wip any one out that he has (he drew them right?!). 3.for combat selections add a LOAD option for characters that have muskets. I guess it was meant to be a puzzle for us to figure out how to load it but it become tedious having to do that each time and a LOAD option would take up the round in a non-combat way like REST would. Happy Trails, C.Williams ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 202 Thu Oct 22, 1992 P.LEONTESCU2 [Overkill] at 19:44 EDT I also love the game and have some suggestions for the future. 1) Try to include a wider variety of outdoor plants, trees, etc. It's kind of boring after a while when I keep seeing the same trees over and over again. It would be nice if the scenery changes. 2) Same as number 1 for the dungeons. I keep seeing the same wall design. It's strange theat OrkOgre Castle has the same walls as a dungeon, and as Old City. Was the same architect hired to do the whole planet? 3) I might be asking for too much but how about weather? It would be cool to see snow falling or even rain... 4) I also vote for an easier way to bring up the map. The box mentions the game has auto mapping but that's really not true. By the time you get a high enough skill you have already started drawing the maps yourself. Ultima Underworlds had a great mapping utitlity. Other than that, the play is great! ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 203 Thu Oct 22, 1992 AGNARI at 20:44 EDT Wrong Overkill, Ultima Underworlds has a great START at auto mapping. If you can't get it to paper, IMHO, automapping to screen is a complete waste of coding resources. When I'm running from X to Y, I need something in my hot little hand to see the layout and all the turns, ect. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 204 Thu Oct 22, 1992 J.LEWIS7 [Argus] at 23:23 EDT Apocolipse-- RE: rolling a Ninja; Unless your lucky, its a long wait. I've done real well generating a Ninja in both Bane and this game by rolling up a Bard or Ranger with near miss stats; it takes little time until he/she graduates to Ninja capabilities. Hey all, regarding auto mapping, I never did find the kit. Gave up and went on in the game. Where is the thing? Some said it was near entrance to the game, but I looked high and low and I didnt find it. Great game, but it reminds me of others... Might and M II in the hack and slash element, Dragon Wars with the graphics and story line elements. Dragon Wars was one of my favorites, so Im not complaining. Anyway, I digress. I sure would like to automap. If need be, please EMAIL me the exact location of the kit. What good is an automap thats hidden and hard to find? Ive been building up one of my character's mapping skills. Argus P.S. Monster animations are also reminiscent to MMII, and thats also meant as a compliment. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 205 Fri Oct 23, 1992 D.BILEK1 [Agent] at 18:21 EDT Argus- I wouldnt worry too much about the "auto-mapping". You can't print it out and it only shows an extremely small area around you. You also have to pump up mapping skill before it starts showing much detail. If you transfer characters you can be pretty far into the game before your maps event start showing doors! My advice is to use your skill points for something else and make your own maps. Agent ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 206 Fri Oct 23, 1992 J.LEWIS7 [Argus] at 20:11 EDT Agent - thanks for the advise. It makes sense, and I will do so. As I do with most great CRPGs, I have restarted my game to utilize knowledge of how to optimize skills and such. (and explore New City more thoughrough the first time through). But I think I will forget mapping skills. Play on... Argus ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 207 Sat Oct 24, 1992 AGNARI at 12:00 EDT File 5322, Cheat.LZH, in library 6 has been released and seems to work; but, all usual caveats apply, DO IT ONLY ON A BACKUP savegame file. You will need the LZA decompression program to extract the info and exe file from this compressed file - if you don't have LHA it can be found in the PC RT over on page 615, file/lib unknown. Only thing I found negative about the editor was that it uses the + key to increase stats and using the shift= I personally find a pain. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 208 Sat Oct 24, 1992 E.LARGE [Merkin] at 23:23 EDT Argus: If you want the kit, go to the poppy fields. If/when all your guys f all asleep, you will be transported into the woods south of the poppy fields. Search South from where you wake up. In those woods their is a chest. In that chest you will find an auto mapping kit. I also agree about auto mapping. The feature in CotDS is fairly bogus. Making maps is a drag. It's not hard just a drag. And the mapping shows such a small area it is not overly helpful. I would suggest a bigger area for auto mapping....and if I cast a Wizard Eye, the information I see ought to be transferred to the auto map! Merkin P.S. Thanks for calling me at home over the Thermal Pineapple problem! ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 209 Sun Oct 25, 1992 R.DOMINICK2 [Mr. Horrible] at 03:23 EST ...I find automapping to be primarily of use in helping me find where I am on my paper map. I am an RPGer from way back, and still had the habit of making the maps, and went through the first dungeon and at least saw about half of New City before going to find the mapping kit. It's kind of important to wander around in the forest, else your characters will never be of a high enough level to touch the Savant Guards (or at least, that's what I found.) To find the automap kit, go southeast from the road just south of the Rattkin ambush, and then follow the path as far south as you can go. When you hit water, you're close to the chest containing it. I'm still messing around in New City, going to each building and seeing what lies within. The area I'm having the most problems with is the Museum of Oddities; I can't figure how to get the wand or what to do with the twisted faces... ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 210 Sun Oct 25, 1992 C.SMITH29 [Greybeard] at 08:19 EST Could someone leave me some e-mail telling me how to get into New City or past the poppy fields? I don't want to dig through all the *spoilers* to try to find the answer. I started a new party. Also, when beginning a new game, is there any way to sidestep the long introduction? ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 211 Sun Oct 25, 1992 G.UYEDA [Greg] at 17:42 EST Well it's comforting to know no big bugs have surfaced yet. I went ahead and got it and am pretty impressed so far. I lost my BoCF characters in a HD crash though and am having to with new chars in this one. Ironically, low level adventuring here is just like it was in Wiz I killing birds, bugs, and slimes. To the person wondering how to get a Ninja off the bat... I've had pretty good success using the Felpurr race, had to try a couple times to get enough bonus points though. Greg ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 212 Sun Oct 25, 1992 J.LEWIS7 [Argus] at 18:01 EST Graybeard, hit escape key to bypass the opening. You just have to build up enough levels to survive the greeting party to the city. Argus ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 213 Sun Oct 25, 1992 R.DOMINICK2 [Mr. Horrible] at 18:23 EST ...I tried for about half an hour to generate a Ninja or a Lord. No dice. So, I just gave up, and got a Bard and a Ranger instead. I was messing about in New City and, according to my map, had seen everything that was to be seen without opening some of the unopenable doors. I couldn't kill the guardians of the person who keeps saying "Psst! Get me out of here!" (I have a half-6th and half-5th level party) so I went to Old City, where I *definitely* couldn't kill much of anything... sigh... frustration time. Can someone send me email as to what the 'Twisted Faces' puzzle is all about? Perhaps not an outright solution, but a CLUE? R.DOMINICK2 ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 214 Sun Oct 25, 1992 AGNARI at 18:32 EST Dominick, we use this topic for clues and topic 7 for outright answers [thus the *SPOILERS* in it's title]. Would help but I haven't completed that puzzle; however, someone did mention that on one of the special *Maps* is a clue/assistance for solving that puzzle. So you can probably leave the museum alone for now! Did you find that starter section of the Old City slightly south and east of the regular entrance to New city? ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 215 Sun Oct 25, 1992 G.BECK7 at 20:46 EST Hi, all. Just a point of info. regarding Cursed Items: You have to cast the remove curse spell from a character's profile screen and not from the main party screen. I ran around for many game days trying to cast the spell from the party screen. Hope this saves some time. Just click on the spells alter in the profile screen to bring up the spells menu and cast. Regards, Greg (whaddya mean read the manual?) Beck ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 216 Sun Oct 25, 1992 M.ANDERSON41 [Mark] at 22:11 EST For people who have been having trouble rolling Ninjas or Lords, there was a chart in the Bane manual that (I believe) is still valid for Crusaders. For a Ninja, the chart tells us that 15 Bonus Points are needed, and that you have to start as a Male Dwarf, Male Dracon, or Male Felpurr to get a Ninja with exactly 15 Bonus Points. For the Lord, only a Male Rawulf can qualify with as few as 15 points. When I roll characters, I keep rolling until I get 17 or more points no matter what the character I'm trying to roll, so I didn't find the Ninja and Lord for my new party any harder than rolling my Mage. Also, the chart isn't the final word on rolling characters. While it shows that the minimum for rolling a Samurai is 12 points for either a Male Felpurr or a Male Faerie, the Faerie is NOT a good choice for a Samurai because of the low carrying capacity. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 217 Sun Oct 25, 1992 SLEW at 23:07 EST My Mook made a great lord..23 bonus points on the first roll :) ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 218 Mon Oct 26, 1992 R.DOMINICK2 [Mr. Horrible] at 03:59 EST Thanks, Agnari; I eventually gave up and went on. And yes, I found the entrance to Old City but was getting my buttski kicked, so left there in a hurry. Instead, I finally played and played 'till I beat the constabulatory guards and am now off in OrkOgre castle getting killed... sigh... and a whole bunch of people I don't even know about are getting maps and unravelling their secrets and doing all sorts of stuff. Am I doing wrong by resting my party and fixing it after each combat? Is it making the game take too long? I just got into the habit in SSI games... ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 219 Mon Oct 26, 1992 A.GEYER1 [Lex] at 08:38 EST This is probably a stupid question but.....I assumed that my "Rubber White Bear" was of the Polar variety and that this item would be useful at the Artic Munk pool. I've tried "equiping" it and "using" it and "invoking" it's special properties and nothing seems to happen. Is my initial assumption, that this item is to used at the pool wrong?? ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 220 Sun Nov 01, 1992 T.YEE2 [Freeman] at 15:09 EST Can anyone give me a synop -~~rsis on the new skills in this game. Such as Powerstrike, reflection, and snake speed. Or at least where I can find a description in the manual. thanks, TY ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 221 Sun Nov 01, 1992 J.LEWIS7 [Argus] at 15:41 EST TY, sure- its in appendix C. There is an index also you may not have noticed. (Thanks, Sir Tech! I have always wished game manuals would have indices. They hardly ever do.) I have a comment and question about this game. I have sound it quite hard with my new characters, after the first easier parts of the game (First two forrests, New City, dungeon). I am just surviving in Mukrama (sp?) but there are some spots I must avoid there. I am wondering if I need to restart again and have the patience to roll all super characters? Is it possible to get past this apparent game imbalance with only moderate characters? Mine are all around level 6; fighter is at 7. Hacking in the forrest is really tedious when the only purpose is to try to gain a level or two. My bishop never seems to get more than 1 physical skill point per level, and so still cant swim. My first try at this game, all were swimming before this point where I am now. Anyway, I think perhaps game balance was not as well implemented in this game as it was in BAne, at least in the early part and with new characters. (I assume its not as bad with imports). Other elements make it even more fun than Bane, but not in this one aspect, at least for me. Where I am now in the game, most encounters are either easy or impossible. Easy is boring, and impossible is frustrating. I don't think my characters are anywhere near tough enough to survive the tough monsters, and can think of no way to accelorate level increases. There were a couple of places in Bane at about this same point (around levels 5-7) that one could find unlimited reapeat battels (the bats, and the forrest grate in the castle.) Is there such a place in Crusaders? If so please tell. Leave in spoilers section if necessary. I will find it. Thanks, Argus (correction above around the third line sound should be found.) ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 222 Sun Nov 01, 1992 T.SCOTT9 [Tghost] at 17:35 EST Hi all! This may sound stupid, but I am at a total loss when dealing with NPC's such as Mick the Pick or even the guy in Arms of Argus. I can't get talk to come up on any menus even if they are pleased in negotiations. I have tried bribing also. Even Forcing. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 223 Sun Nov 01, 1992 AGNARI at 17:40 EST TS that arms of argus really doesn't want a NAME as the text implies but more of the reason why you came black ......... Once past that you can get a chance to talk to him. Rossaian or something like that. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 224 Sun Nov 01, 1992 J.LEWIS7 [Argus] at 17:58 EST Agnari, I have restarted again with better characters. Now they are Lord, Valkeri, Ranger, Priest, Psionic, and Mage. The Priest will become a Lord very soon (I hope), and the Valkeri is almost a Ninja. In your opinion would it be better to make the Ranger into another ninja or into a Samurai? Lord, Lord, Ninja, Ninja, Psionic, Mage seems a little imbalanced to me (not enough mage spells). I would appreciate any advise from anyone. ARgus ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 225 Sun Nov 01, 1992 AGNARI at 19:01 EST Argus my PERSONAL perference is towards Ninja's HOWEVER there is very little in the way of armor that they can wear [once you complete Munkharama you can pick up most of one set]. So having more then one may be a penality. I try not to rely upon spells too much, a few with the silence spell [by few I mean 3 or 4 chars] sure come in handy fighting those powerful types. Otherwise it's cold hard swords/feet that do most of the damage. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 226 Sun Nov 01, 1992 BLUE.GHOST at 19:58 EST Argus, the characters you picked are good and if you want them better, change Professions when they are at level 8 or 9.The Ranger change to a Ninja. The Mage or Priest change to a Bishop or both of them to a Bishop. You will go back to level 1, but you will pick up more spells and skill points. Your changed characters hit points will go up also. Don't change all of your characters at the same time, because you need some of them to do the fighting. Ghost ~~~~~ ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 227 Sun Nov 01, 1992 AGNARI at 21:01 EST Argus, one thing is that as they go up levels they only get 1hp/level till you reach where you were before the change. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 228 Sun Nov 01, 1992 PHOTOBASE at 22:46 EST Argus, I transferred characters in so I came in with level 1 Lord, Ninja and Samurai. It has been a tradition with Wiz, wait for the roll. Read the manual carefully, it will give you clues as to what species to use for the differnt characters, that way you will need a lower bonus to hit level 1. So I guess I am saying that all you need it the upper elite professions. All of my guys cast spells. Three of them are super fighters. I also like Bishops, yes they gain slowely, but the have both defensive and offensive spells. Those are my two cents. You guys sure are playing this more or are just better, I am still bumping around looking for the Gorn castle. Sparks ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 229 Sun Nov 01, 1992 AGNARI at 22:53 EST Sparks once past the guard station with Lt...... head westerly off in the woods. BTW this castle isn't visible from above ground. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 230 Sun Nov 01, 1992 J.LEWIS7 [Argus] at 23:54 EST Thanks for all the tips. Maybe I'm on a better track now. Argus ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 231 Mon Nov 02, 1992 AGNARI at 23:13 EST Sir Tech biggest grip about mouse driven game, the area to click on the char screen to go back to the main party/view is too DARN SMALL suggest for Wiz VII that it be a larger hot spot. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 232 Mon Nov 02, 1992 J.LEWIS7 [Argus] at 23:39 EST Agnari, I totally agree. Why they mad it a little skinny strip on the right side of the screen is beyond me. I usually hit escape. I just wish they had hot key support for other commands for mouse users. Escape doesnt work for many other things, but it does for this. Argus ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 233 Tue Nov 03, 1992 PHOTOBASE at 00:51 EST Thanks Agnari, I got up early this morning and found it. Sigh, wont be able to play for a week now... Sparks ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 234 Tue Nov 03, 1992 P.LEONTESCU2 [Overkill] at 18:41 EST After playing the game some more, I have another suggestion. I wish there was a way to exit and restore a game during combat without waiting for all characters to finish their round. When I'm fighting 30 opponents and 2 of my characters die right away I hate waiting for 10 minutes for the round to be over. Also wish there was a way to abort all the text and long stories in the game. I think someone else mentioned this. It's a pain to have to read a long story every time I walk over a certain spot. ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 235 Tue Nov 03, 1992 T.SCOTT9 [Tghost] at 22:02 EST Thanks fer the answer... Unfortunately, its more complicated than that :( I know what to say to the guy, but can't 'talk' to him, just negotiate. In fact, since starting over, I can only 'negotiate' with Prof Wunderland :( Anyone know how to get around this? my negotiate skill is only around 10, and this may part of the prob... Thanks all ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 236 Wed Nov 04, 1992 APOCALYPSE at 19:40 EST Sir Tech @Todd The last couple of days I've called the tech support line and haven't made it through the busy signals. What this is all about is that about a week and a half ago, I phoned in and was transferred to a lady(whom I was under the impression that she was head of the department). The question I brought up was that I was unable to get both sound and music played through my Ultrasound soundboard. She said that she was wanting to get the soundboard from Gravis so she could have testing availabilities as well. I gave her a name of the marketing director and she said she'd call and try to get a Ultrasound board. She also said she'd probably be able to help me within a week. Seeing as how I can never get through to tech support, can you forward this message to the woman (I wish I remembered her name) in tech support. Please get back with me when you get an opportunity. Thank you. Apoc ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 237 Thu Nov 05, 1992 J.LEWIS7 [Argus] at 19:19 EST Overkill- Sounds like you may need to decrease your delay setting in the configure menu. I've got mine around 6, I think. I imagine many play with even lower delay settings. I assume you know about the end game option at the end of a round. It never takes more than about 15 seconds for me to go through selecting battle commands. (Excuse me, I should have said previously "at the end of selecting battle commands" not rounds of battle itself. I admit I am playing on a 40 MHZ machine, so battles don't go on for that long. I also admit I am not very far along, so you probably are into much longer battles than I am now.) The default delay setting of 25 more or less (don't remember what it was exactly) is rediculously long. Good luck. Argus ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 238 Fri Nov 06, 1992 P.LEONTESCU2 [Overkill] at 19:59 EST Argus, I know about the end game option at the end of the round. My problem is that once I select all the options for each player, the round starts and sometimes it happens that some of my characters get killed right away. I now would like to restart a saved game. Instead I have to wait for all 30 ghosts to get their shots at me (and some have double attacks). I'm using a 386 33mhz and it still takes some time. Otherwise I'm really enjoying the game :) ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 239 Fri Nov 06, 1992 J.LEWIS7 [Argus] at 23:07 EST Overkill, OH, sorry to hear that. Sounds like the later battles get long and drawn out like they did in Bane. I thought DWB was going to do something about that problem. Oh well; not looking forward to that. I hope he fixes this in the next installment. I suggest, if DWB is really stuck on long battles (it is almost necessarry if the same level of detailed data is to be reported during the battles; and I don't mind that): then let the escape key bring up a special menu whith just a few options, such as Continue, Leave Game, Load previous save; or something like that. ARgus ------------ Category 28, Topic 6 Message 240 Sat Nov 07, 1992 AGNARI at 09:20 EST Anyone remember the general location of that cold spot(s)? 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